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TRANSCRIPT OF WORK SESSION WITH STATE:DISCUSSIONS OF NYS ROAD CONDITIONS
Release Date: July 28, 2014

On July 8th the Town Board met with the regional representative of the NYS Department of Transportation,  State Senator Andrea Stewart Cousins and Asssemblyman Tom Abinanti to discuss NYS road conditions. Among the issues discussed: the need for the state to repave West Hartsdale Ave, a street that is in desperate need of repaving. The lack of maintenance on other state roads located in Greenburgh.  The eyesore: Dobbs Ferry Road/Sprain Parkway staging area. Completing sidewalks on Central Ave. Working out agreements with local governments to be reimbursed  if localities help out and address conditions on state roads and more….
 
The following is a transcript of this important work session. We will be encouraging the state to follow up on the concerns expressed at the meeting we had. Your thoughts on the comments made below are appreciated.
PAUL FEINER
 
 
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Good
           morning.  Good to see you.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   First of
           all, we're really very appreciative that
           you both took your time out of your, you
           know, your schedules to meet with us and
           discuss, you know, some issues.  And, you
           know, thanks so much.
 
                        You know, I thought maybe I
           could just go over some of the, you know,
           the major issues that keep cropping up.
           You know, one issue that people keep, you
           know, calling me up, I was on my bicycle up
           and down West Hartsdale Avenue and the road
           is like a real disaster.  You know, even on
           the bike you can't even bike on the side of
           the road because it's all cracked.  And,
           you know, it's a real hazard for
           pedestrians, you know, and cyclists.  And
           I'm sort of wondering if, you know, there
           is a possibility that we could accelerate,
           you know, the repaving of that road.  And
           I'm also wondering if there is a
           possibility that when they do repave it, we
           might be able to address like the shoulders
           and make it more of a -- you know, make it
           more conducive for cyclists and
           pedestrians.  You have an awful lot of
           people that would probably, you know, not
           take the bus to -- I mean, you know, not
           take their car out to the train station if
           they could walk safely there.  Maybe that's
           the first item.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, you know,
           pavement is a challenge right now, you
           know.  And paving and adding shoulders are
           generally two different types of projects.
           You know, maintenance type paving and
           overlay usually just addresses what's
           there.  When you have to start adding
           shoulders, which is a goal we have for
           bicycle and pedestrian activity, when we're
           able to do those kind of jobs, they get
           more complex, because many of the roads and
           unfortunately many of the smaller state
           highways in Greenburgh have narrow
           right-of-ways, you know, stone walls, trees
           and everything that kind of prohibits you
           from an easy, wide shoulder.  So, they
           become a little bit bigger job than
           anticipated.  When we do it, we want to do
           a decent width shoulder so it's not two
           foot widening, because that sometimes can
           be as dangerous as nothing.
 
                        So, you know, the paving
           program, we have obtained a lot of
           programs.  We have laid miles all over and
           we try to maximize the efficiency of our
           paving as best we can.  Focus has to be on
           the high volume, high speed roadways first.
           You know, that's why you'll see more
           attention on the Sprain and Taconic and
           Cross Westchester than some of the smaller
           roads, because there are more safety issues
           on larger roads.  We're trying to get to
           the lower roads.  We were just able to get
           a few extra candidates in from the harsh
           winter we had this year, and we're slowly
           trying to get to the roads that are in
           worse condition.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Do we
           have any estimate when say West Hartsdale
           Avenue could be, you know, repaved?
           Because it really is -- it's really
           dangerous and it's used by, you know, a lot
           of people.  And, you know, again I saw
           myself, you know, there is holes.  There is
           cracks.  There is -- You know there -- It's
           really -- You know, I'm not the only
           bicyclists that use it.  There is a lot of
           other bicyclists.  You have to go in the
           middle of the road.  It's just not safe.
           There should be a sign saying, you know, no
           bicycling allowed.  I'm saying the thing is
           it really is dangerous.

 
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, we have a
           full capital program update coming up this
           fall where we'll outline, you know, our
           next five year plan.  And as we develop
           that, we'll have a clear indication of what
           the funding levels are and what the
           priorities are and how far we can get with
           what we have available to us.  I could give
           you a much better estimate, you know, as we
           get near fall than I can right now.
 
                        Right now we're just going
           with, you know, what's planned for the
           moment.  That road isn't on the planning
           for now.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Does the
           State ever accelerate if there is
           conditions that are really horrible?  You
           know, maybe you could just take a look at
           it, you know, after you leave.  But is
           there, you know, if it really is dangerous
           and it's hazardous, you agree that this is
           not exaggeration.  This is, you know, an
           accurate representation.  Could you ever
           accelerate it and not say okay it's going
           to happen five years from now?  I mean,
           could you move it up the ladder?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yeah.  We have
           that -- we have that ability to do that.
           As I said, we were able to get, you know,
           some extra money from this winter
           excelerate it.  We targeted our worst
           pavements in the region, in the five
           locations that we selected.  And we looked
           at all of the ones that were very poor and
           then tried to find the worse, you know,
           really address the worst ones.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   It was
           on the list.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, it was on
           the list, but it wasn't the worst of the
           worst.  So, we're trying to wean down on
           that.
 
                        We -- we, a few years ago,
           went to really a preservation program.
           We're trying to keep our good pavements in
           good condition to make them last longer.
           It's an asset management strategy that
           exists around the country.  You invest in
           your better pavements and bridges to extend
           their life.  We focus a ton of money on
           that.  And the downfall is some of the
           poorer pavements have been left behind.
           Now we're in a period of trying to catch up
           with those poor pavements that we
           stabilized a little bit the good pavements.
           And it's a way to stretch the dollar as far
           as you can.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Is there
           any possibility that, you know, and I know
           this was a suggestion from Victor, the
           Commissioner of Public Works, that let's
           say the State is unable -- let's say there
           is a real disaster and we contact, you
           know, the State and there is -- you know
           you're swamped with work or don't have the
           resources or, you know, you're using the
           resources somewhere else that we could say
           do the work and then get reimbursed if it's
           an emergency?  Because, you know, I sort of
           feel that, you know, I mean many times I
           get complaints.  It could be Dobbs Ferry
           Road.  It could be West Hartsdale.  There
           are a lot of roads.  And if we could do it
           then, you know, it's not like passing the
           blame saying oh, it's the State's fault and
           we would take responsibility and just get
           reimbursed later on.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, we have no
           legal way to reimburse you for work.  It's
           really, you know, if we had the funds
           available, we would be able to do it.  So
           it's not -- It's a combination of capital
           funding and personnel resources.
 
                        You know, the kind of work
           you're talking about would be a capital
           funding source.  So, if the money was
           available and it would fit into our
           priority, in our plan, we would do it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   That's not
           what you just said.  What you just said was
           you have priorities.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Right.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   And you
           take care of those priorities first.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Right.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   Your
           priorities, our priorities could very well
           be different.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yes.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   So, it's
           not a question of you don't have the money.
           It's a question of it being a priority on
           the same level and at the State level as it
           is the Town level.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Right.  We
           sometimes will disagree on priorities.  It
           might be the worst road in your town, but
           it might not be the top ten worst condition
           that we have across the region.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Let me
           just -- let me just try and hear what is
           being said.  So, if their priority, if the
           Town's priority is happening now, and they
           are able to do whatever they do, if it were
           a priority for the State say three years
           from now, would there be some ability to --
           to reimburse them at the time that this
           might have been a priority say three years
           down the road or do we not have a construct
           for that?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   We do have a
           contract.  We have a program called Reverse
           Betterment Program, where, you know, a
           community will undertake a project for the
           State on one of our facilities and we would
           reimburse them.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Okay.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   So, we have to
           have the funds available for that.  Now if
           a community, I hear what you're saying, the
           community wanted to do it now and get
           reimbursed three years from now when it
           would meet our program, I don't think we
           have ever had that situation come up.
           That's sort of --
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   I don't
           know that you're talking about three years
           from now, but -- but you're saying if you
           were willing to do it now and the State
           would reimburse you at some time, you
           didn't say --
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   You know,
           we would obviously, because the tax
           capital, we would want to get it sooner
           rather than later.  But I sort of feel
           let's say West Hartsdale Avenue, I know it
           definitely needs work.  There is no doubt
           in my mind.  Or I may get a complaint about
           a pothole and, you know, let's say it might
           be on Dobbs Ferry Road or on Hillside
           Avenue, and the State may just not have the
           resources to do it.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Right.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   But the
           thing is we're on notice.  I'll tell
           Victor.  People think it's the Town rather
           than the State.  So, they are blaming us.
           But it's not our, you know, it's not our
           road.  And if we could have gotten
           reimbursed for it, then instead of us
           saying oh, it's the State's problem, and
           everyone saying I can't believe it,
           everyone is pointing fingers, then we get
           the job done and then just get reimbursed.
           I would think that that would be a way
           where we could all work together and --
           and, you know, solve -- solve the problem
           or I mean sometimes it may be a stretch of
           a road that needs to be repaved.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, there is
           another option that exists.  And it's, you
           know, it's not often taken up.  But, you
           know, some of these roads could be, you
           know, given to the Town and then you could
           get, you know, more lane miles for CHIPS
           funding to maintain them, but it would
           become your road lock, stock and barrel.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   But then
           it would have to be turned to us in a great
           condition.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, that --
           Sometimes we have done that in the past.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   Get what
           you pay for.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I mean, the way
           to get more control over the roadways in
           the Town is to take them out of the Town
           roadways.  And there are certain state
           roads that might not control the function
           of the state highway any more in
           Westchester and be more local oriented.
           That is a mechanism that exists, but it is,
           you know, that's a big one for the
           community.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   That
           might be something the legislature may look
           at, because I'm sure we're not the only
           community in New York that is experiencing
           this, you know, this problem and it might
           be a way where local governments could --
           maybe there could be something that would
           make it attractive for communities to take
           over a road.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Yes.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Are you
           suggesting the Town take over a State road?
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   No.  I'm
           saying maybe the State Legislature could
           come up with a plan, a proposal that would
           make it financially attractive, you know,
           for us.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Besides
           the CHIPS funding, additional CHIPS
           funding.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Right.
           I'm saying this way, you know, we could
           get, you know, get the roads fixed.  Do it
           quickly and it would be, you know --
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   What
           would you consider an incentive?  Because
           it sounds like they are talking about as is
           pretty much, more or less, and then with
           additional CHIPS funding.  And you're
           saying that you think it would be something
           that would be a little more incentive would
           be like what for you?
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   One would
           be if people have like a private road and
           the Town takes it over, they have to give
           it to us in a condition that meets the
           Town's standards.  It has to be repaved and
           in good condition.  And then I would think
           that in terms of maintenance, giving us a
           certain -- if there is a certain budget.
           So, every certain number of years we would
           get a certain amount of money to, you
           know -- you know, repave the road or do
           potholes.  Some sort of maintenance per
           mile of State roads if the Town -- if the
           Town takes it over.  And it might be less
           expensive for us to do it than, you know,
           for you to do it.  Just something you could
           really think about.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Okay.
           We could sort of brainstorm together I
           guess.
 
      
                 MR. GORDON:   Well, the
           program exists in four cities.  It's
           allowed within the city.  Many of the
           cities maintain the state highways of the
           city.  What they get is an annual -- you
           know, they get a monthly payment.  We
           authorize.  You say you've done work.  It's
           up to speed.  And you will get a monthly
           payment.
 
                        So, it does exist for
           legislation for a city, but not towns and
           villages at this point in time.  It's an
           interesting idea --
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   We can
           look at it.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   -- for a large
           town not a small town.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   We're
           looking at a road like West Hartsdale, it's
           a heavily traveled road which connects
           different areas of the county.  And to redo
           that road and add sidewalks, and obviously
           there may have to be takings and then you
           have the infrastructure for water
           mitigation.  I mean, that's -- that's a
           large tab for a town to accept.  You're
           talking millions for -- for that job.  And,
           you know, I don't see the Town having the,
           you know, capital money or anything to --
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   West
           Hartsdale was slated to be repaved three
           years ago.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   By the
           State, yeah.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   It was
           reallocated.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   So --
 
                        COUNCILWOMAN JUETTNER:   There
           is another issue though that would concern
           me if we take it over.  I would be
           interested in knowing how the cities are
           doing their upkeeping of state roads.
           Whether they are getting enough State money
           in order to make things ends meet, because
           now with tax caps and all of that means
           that we would be stretching even further.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Everybody is
           stretched.
 
                        COUNCILWOMAN JUETTNER:   Ex-
           actly.  That's the problem.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   You guys, every
           level of government is stretched at this
           point in time.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   The
           problem is people, the average resident,
           they don't want to hear me saying oh, by
           the way -- If somebody e-mails me or
           contacts me, they don't want me to say oh,
           it's not my fault.  It's the State's fault.
           They feel this is the Town.  You know,
           we're overseeing the Town.  Basically they
           want to make sure that their quality of
           life problems are addressed.  That's why I
           sort of feel that, you know, I know on West
           Hartsdale Avenue as an example, I know it's
           not being addressed.  It's very
           frustrating.  And if I'm on a road and I'm
           personally bicycling on it and I have to go
           in the middle of a road and people are
           trying to --
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   Run you
           over.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   -- run me
           over.  I think it was mostly the Town
           Board.  But the problem is I just feel that
           you feel helpless.  But that's one issue.
           Maybe you could take a look at it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Before
           we leave that issue.  If it was on the list
           three years ago, did other roads along the
           state get really bad or did the funding
           being cut --
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I don't remember
           the specific details about that particular
           funding and what it was relegated for.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Could we
           find out?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   But it sounds
           about the same time that we really were
           starting to invest in the preservation
           first.  And we had to dedicate, you know,
           to get -- you know, to reallocate the money
           to the preservation type roads, which
           confuses people.  I mean, honestly they see
           it.  They see a better road being paved and
           then we get phone calls all the time.  What
           are you paving that road for?  This one is
           worse.  It is part of a long-term strategy,
           to extend the life of the facility.  We
           are -- You know, we knew the curve would
           trend to get more roads.  They will stay in
           a poor condition a little longer.  They are
           more stable there.  Until we free the money
           up to address them.  And we're on that
           trend now of trying to get to the poorer
           conditions.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Now you
           lost me, because you said repave roads and
           better conditions.  I thought the
           preservation program, which we're trying to
           do here in the Town, as well as if you have
           a road in good condition and it has cracks
           and the alligator cracks and things like
           that, you want to seal them so that you
           don't lose the road.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   That's part of
           it.  It's an incremental strategy.  And
           then it gets to a certain point and then
           you want to resurface it with either a mill
           and a fill or an overlay or something,
           because at a certain point you really can't
           crack sealing when it becomes -- it's
           dangerous.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   But at
           what point when you can't crack seal it
           anymore does it then go back into the pool
           of bad roads?  And now all of a sudden we
           have East Hartsdale Avenue.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Really you're
           looking at about idealistically about every
           eight to ten years if you can do a surface
           course rehabilitation with seal and fill.
           You can extend the life and keep the water
           out from underneath.  Once it gets too
           cracked, then an overlay will not be
           effective.  It will crack back up in a few
           years.  Then you have to start to go into a
           deeper rehabilitation.  You probably have
           some underlying water issues, some edges,
           you have some potholes.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Could
           you just, and I'll leave it at that, look
           into whether or not if and when this was on
           a list, if it was three years ago, and why
           it came off the list.  Was it because of
           drop in funding or because other roads were
           deemed worse?  I can't see the Town, you
           know, being able to take over State roads.
           The Town took over county roads for
           $400,000 more than a decade ago and, you
           know, it costs a lot more than $400,000.
           So, you know, we have to be long-term smart
           as well.
 
                        If it's truly a state road and
           it has state purposes, I don't think we can
           really do that as a town particularly.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I don't think
           many places want to take over.  It is an
           option that does exists, if a community
           really wants more control over --
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   If there
           is no money attached to that.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Right.
           You will go back to the office a hero.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   You will
           let us know about the reimbursement.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Right.  We'll
           look at the legislative thing.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   The
           thing is right now it's not for towns and
           villages.  So, we need to see if that makes
           sense.  I mean, I think it sounds like it
           does.  I don't know why.  But like you said
           a town of a certain size it might make a
           lot of sense.  And we'll be happy to look
           into that.
 
                        Also in terms of as was
           stated, the reassessment of the capital
           funds and the five year program and so on
           and so forth is happening in the fall as
           well.  So, I think we will make sure that
           this is considered.  I don't know --
           Obviously I don't make the decisions as to
           what gets considered, but I think
           especially if it was on three years ago and
           came off, I think it should be a candidate
           for re-evaluation.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   For, you
           know, just the town roads, one of the
           thoughts, because everybody has the same
           problems.  Everybody is cutting and
           cutting.  We're approving the capital
           budget today, and we're going to be
           allocating about $3 million for road
           repaving in 2015.  But although $3 million
           is a lot, we really need $5 million.  And
           the question that I had for the legislature
           with the tax cap.  You know, one of the
           thoughts that I had was would the State
           considered amending say the tax cap law and
           maybe exempting road repaving from -- from
           the tax cap provisions?
 
                        Because when we're doing the
           capital budget, a factor for me is
           different than a factor for the
           Commissioner of Public Works.  I'm looking
           at the tax cap and trying to comply with
           it.  Commissioner of Public Works is
           looking at his responsibility of
           maintaining the roads.  So, if we're
           approving 3 million but we really need 5
           million and we're not giving you the 2
           million extra, our roads are not being
           maintained as, you know, as -- as they
           should be.  And if, you know, this would
           cost the Town, the State nothing and it
           would just exempt us from that and give us
           a little bit more encouragement.  Give all
           communities and the state more
           encouragement to -- to --
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   So
           you're looking for an exemption for
           infrastructure?
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   An
           infrastructure exemption in the tax cap.
           Because I think otherwise it's going to be,
           you know, the infrastructure will be so bad
           that, you know, everybody could have tax
           cuts now and then you're going to see major
           tax increases five years from now because
           the roads are such a mess that everybody is
           going to be playing catchup.  And then, you
           know, so that's the second thing.
 
                        The other issue, this is like
           one of the biggest issues that, you know,
           we get every year.  The Dobbs Ferry Road,
           Sprain Parkway, there is a staging area.
           And, you know, I must write to you about
           every -- every hour or something.  And --
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   You're
           familiar with the area.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I got a picture
           of it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   You
           happen to have a picture of it.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   I'm just
           wondering, there were two thoughts.  Most
           people in the community, they feel that it
           should stop being used, you know, as a
           staging area.  But, you know, other people
           have also said if you're not going to back
           off from using it as a staging area, are
           you able to do some, you know, planting of
           trees or bushes to hide the eyesore on the
           road.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yes to both.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   That
           would be good.  Rather than number one.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Next
           question.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Right now --
           right now it's empty.  But, you know, but
           we do have, you know, we do have challenges
           in Westchester County, finding places to
           store material and equipment temporarily as
           you need to be.  And the big issues we have
           had over the past few years is after some
           of these significant storms, and there is
           tree damage everywhere.  To clear the trees
           quickly, you need to get them off the road
           and get them somewhere.  And we don't have
           a lot of room in Westchester County to do
           that.
 
                        So, we would like, you know,
           to continue to have that in our pocket for
           that temporary storage area.  My question
           is I get a lot of complaints.  No one told
           me exactly which view shed.  Which
           direction is the eyesore?  I think I know
           which one you're talking about.  I thought
           it was a neighborhood.  But, I mean, from
           the neighborhood, up on the side, you can't
           see there.  They have a heavy standard
           tree.  So, I assume it's coming down the
           ramp you see it.  Is that the primary?
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Dobbs
           Ferry Road.

 
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Correct.  So,
           you know, we have looked at a couple of
           options to maybe, you know, put a berm and
           some landscaping on that.  On the, you
           know, the B side and then where we could
           bring a little access road that's more
           hidden off to the side.  And, you know, we
           will try to constrain issues to only when
           it's really necessary for some -- some
           serious activity that's going on in the
           area.  Not as a constant, permanent storage
           facility.  But the access to and from the
           Sprain, it really provides an easy way for
           us and efficient way to move material
           around in those extreme events.  And we
           really need to have that ability.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   How
           distant of a travel is it that you use that
           first staging area?  Is it five miles; ten
           miles?
 
                        MR. GUDER:   Old school was
           one of the sites where --
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Could
           you speak a little louder, please.
 
                        MR. GUDER:   Oh, sure.  This
           also was one of the places where the local
           contractors were dumping their debris
           there.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Some of it
           wasn't even us.  It --
 
                        MR. GUDER:   And we had it
           removed and then we put logs around it so
           they don't come back and dump it.  Normally
           it's illegal dumping also there.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   So, you know,
           we're going to develop a plan to try to
           find a way to shield it a little bit and
           still provide access for those situations
           where we really need it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   I
           understand the question regarding how far a
           distance do you draw from.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I'm not sure.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   From
           that staging area when there are extreme
           events, what is the area that is serviced
           in Westchester?  Is it five miles?
 
                        MR. GUDER:   No.  Very close.
           We haven't used it lately as a dumping
           area.  That was used by, like I said, like
           the local contractor, people dumping.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Other
           than that, is it mostly local material?
 
                        MR. GUDER:   Yeah.  We have a
           tree down on the Sprain, yeah, we would put
           it there, yeah.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Victor,
           is there like another location say in the
           Town that's not within, you know, eyesight
           of people that would be another
           alternative, you know, location that, you
           know, we could maybe offer the State?
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   I think -- First
           off I want to say thank you on behalf of
           the DPW.  We work very well together.  I
           just want to let you know we have a good
           relationship.
 
                        Unfortunately, at times, I
           know your resources as ours is limited.  We
           appreciate that.
 
                        With respect to this area, you
           know, we also are limited as far as areas
           that we can stage at times as well.
           Perhaps it might be best if maybe we could
           work locally to help.  If it's a screening
           issue, I think as Mr. Gordon suggested,
           that we can -- perhaps the State can create
           a berming situation.
 
                        They, like us, need staging
           areas to be able to perform our work.  If
           it's -- if it's done in a manner that's not
           visually obstructed at least to the
           residents, we can find that middle ground
           where it might be a temporary situation.
           They will stage and they will move out.
           But at least it's not something that you're
           seeing an active construction site or what
           appears to be an abandoned dumping area.
           That might be a middle ground that we could
           work with.
 
                        I'm not aware of any areas of
           the Town that we could offer.  We're in the
           same position.  We have very, very limited
           resources for that type of operation.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   So,
           you're open to that?
 
                        MR. GUDER:   Yes.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yes.  We looked
           at a couple options and figure out how we
           are going to get it done, sure.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   But
           it's something we can do?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yes.  I would
           like to exactly come to some kind of middle
           ground we can shield it enough but still
           have it available to us and commit that
           we're not going to use it as a permanent
           place to store equipment or, you know,
           things, but only when we have to have, you
           know, where a construction operation needs
           to store some things or debris removal
           after a big storm, those kind of events.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   We have
           a yes and a yes.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   That's
           good.  Another issue that the commissioner,
           you know, has, you know, brought to my
           attention.  Over the years, you know,
           especially during the spring, we do a lot
           of -- we get a lot of complaints about
           litter on, you know, on state
           right-of-ways, and, you know, whether it's
           Central Avenue, Dobbs Ferry Road, Hillside.
           And many times, like this year, we allocate
           Town employees to clean up the litter.  And
           I'm sort of wondering if there is any, you
           know -- and then, you know, it gets
           relittered.  I'm wondering if there is any
           possibility that we could get some
           reimbursement or work out some arrangement,
           you know, not only the Town but there may
           be other municipalities also, where
           communities could -- that pitch in could
           get reimbursed for -- for our efforts,
           because it is taking employees out of --
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   Production.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Right.
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   Expanding on
           that.  What the Supervisor is really
           getting towards is the quality of life.  We
           all are looking to try to, with the tax
           dollars that we have available, trying to
           help our communities perform better for our
           residents.  And looking at some of the
           roadways that the state -- the state
           roadways, as you know, we have six
           different roadways throughout our community
           that are state maintained to some different
           degrees.
 
                        I understand dwindling
           resources, but what we're looking for is
           ways that the State, where these roadways
           could be maintained from a visual aspect a
           little bit better.  Clearing of the debris
           along the side of the roadways.  Making
           sure basins and storage drainage systems
           are more functional.  Street sweeping.  We
           have traffic islands.  Cutting the grass

 
 
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           occasionally.  Litter patrol.  These are
           the type of things that, you know, local
           municipalities do on our own roads and
           rights of ways.
 
                        It seems that the State DOT,
           maybe your deeds are not the same along the
           lines to the local character of your
           roadways as we would like.  It's kind of an
           act of how we could better match our needs
           and as far as our quality of life to our
           residents with the ability as a State DOT.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, it goes
           back to the same as the first question.
           There is no reimbursement program
           available.  So, that's the first thing.
 
                        You know, what we have to do
           when -- We can enter into shared service
           agreements with communities, where we share
           services that can be done maybe more
           efficiently by one community versus
           another.  But then, you know, we have to do
           a reciprocal share.  You know, we would
           have to perform something for the Town and
           money that you spent.  It gets complicated
           and it's hard to do.
 
                        We have a standard that we
           apply for, you know, mowing and litter and
           it's consistent and it may not be what will
           meet your expectations.  You know, that's
           when certain communities just take it upon
           themselves if they want it to look nice for
           them, when they are able to, they just do
           it.  We're glad they do it.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   That's
           the problem that we have like with the tax
           cap.  Let's say, you know, our employees
           are swamped with, you know, day-to-day, you
           know, work and then the commissioner asks
           us could he have overtime, because with
           overtime they could clean up the roads.
           And then we say yes.  Then there is a
           better shot that we're going -- chance that
           we're going to be not in compliance with
           the tax cap.  So, these are like the
           difficulties.
 
                        I mean, you have funding
           problems.  We're having funding problems, a
           cap that's limiting our ability to provide
           the services that people really, you know,
           want and people are complaining.  Like, you
           know, a few months ago somebody complained
           about Central Avenue.  Right near the
           Cotswold section of Edgemont.  They said
           Central Avenue was just like a dump.  And,
           you know, just very -- it gets very
           frustrating.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   The quality of
           life is a different thing.  There is visual
           and then there is, you know, the quality of
           the surface and the signals.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Right.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   You know, our
           priorities are, you know, what they call
           center line out.  I mean, we try to take
           care of the road and then move off the
           road.  You know, litter is annoying, but
           it's not a safety problem.  It's not, you
           know, cause for a safety public issue.  You
           know, mowing, not as often, is the same.
 
                        You know, we try -- we get out
           there as we can as consistent with all our
           other facilities.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   What
           happens with the mowing?  What happens when
           the mowing, though, starts to affect site
          distances?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, that's a
           safety issue.  We should be identifying
           those, you know, more often when it comes
           to that issue.  You know, it's scary.  I
           mean, our policy is to mow a road no more
           than two or three times a year.  And then
           addressing sight distance or some other
           special conditions that are more often.
 
                        And one of the things you get
           on Central Avenue is that, you know, there
           is so much commercial frontage there that,
           you know, they take care of it differently
           than the places where there isn't
           commercial frontage.  There is a big
           differential in what you see.  You see a
           well landscaped area for a portion of it
           and then you see a portion on the right
           side, northbound, on the east side, where
           there is no commercial, fence line and big
           property back there, that no one is taking
           care of but us.  And that looks overgrown
           compared to the nice, manicured places that
           the commercial landscapers are taking care
           of with their business.  That is, you know,
           an aesthetic problem that exists on that
           roadway.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   We're
           asking about things with the Town and
           roadways and infrastructure.  An issue that
           has come up over the years, and I know
           there was plans in the making, for the 9A
           bypass.  The 9A bypass affects the Village
           of Elmsford, Town of Greenburgh.  Just the
           infrastructure, the damage, water lines and
           sewers, you know how the road is out there
           with all of those trucks that go by every
           day.  Is it -- What is the timeline?  Do we
           have any or is that just really a wish list
           that maybe we get lucky one day and there
           is money for it?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, you know,
           it's another -- it's another good project.
           It will have great benefits for many
           reasons in there.  And, you know, we put
           the priority back in our program updates
           and I hope there is money available for it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   'Cause
           we're looking up on 9A.  Regeneron is doing
           a new building.  Alcor is doing a project.
           You know, we have Coca-Cola.  We have
           FedEx, UPS.  Every day there is thousands
           of trucks that travel that road.  If you
           stand out there, you see the road has --
           it's like the rocky road.  It's got all the
          bubbles.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   But the project
           we're also talking about right now is just
           Warehouse Lane.  It's the connection to
           Warehouse.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   Exactly.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   The connection
           beyond there is a whole different ball
           game.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   Sure.
           But at least that, that really helps a lot
           of the big issues.  We'll sign up right now
           for that.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   I'm in full
           agreement with that.  We have to get the
           right spot in the funding and
           prioritization to get what we're doing.
           We'll update it this fall and I'm hopeful.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   And
           we'll push that.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   We have
           private business owners like Robert Martin,
           they are willing to help to do work back
           there with the State and the Town.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   That all helps
           us when we put it in, you know,
           partnerships with public and private.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   Private,
           sure.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   You know, it is
           a tremendous asset in help and leverage the
           ability to get funds.  I think we need
           to -- I know we're going to have a separate
           meeting on that project coming up.  We need
           to sort of identify the values on that so
           we can put it in as part of the package for
           that.
 
                        COUNCILMAN MORGAN:   The value
           may help with the flooding on the 9A issue
           too.  It's more than just traveling
           through.  There is a lot of things that can
           be corrected.
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Great.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   We have
           been talking about, while you're
           considering that, maybe you could consider
           perhaps a system of credits.  That way
           there won't be money going back and forth.
           Maybe the money we spend cleaning up litter
           or potholes could be credited to some other
           money that we owe or that we would owe.
           That way there wouldn't be any money --
           there wouldn't be any actual reimbursement
           that had to occur.  It could be a system of
           credits.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Well, that's
           that shared service agreement.  If we can
           identify real cost to different activities,
           we can enter into a shared service
           agreement, which allows us to work together
           on different things without having to send
           dollars back and forth.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   Got you.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   But it has to be
           a describable task with a supportable value
           to it.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   Sure.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Another
           issue that keeps coming up is last year the
           State put more sidewalks on Central Avenue
           but they left out like some links.  So, you
           know, they did like maybe 70 percent of the
           road is passable for pedestrians, walkable
           or people can bike on it, but there is a
           lot of empty area.  Is there a possibility
           that the State in an upcoming capital
           budget could address the mixing links.
           Because it was such a fabulous -- it would
           be such a fabulous quality of life and you
           did most of the work already.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   They
           were highly praised, the residents, where
           you did do the repairs.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   What you did see
           was you saw, you know, we have to retrofit
           our system for ADA compliance.  So, our
           first priority was to find the places that
           had deficient ramps or sections of sidewalk
           that just weren't acceptable anymore and we
           weren't able to do a contiguous.  We went
           out there and addressed those.  We have a
           whole list of these issues.  We're not
           complete with that program yet.  We have
           more cases on.  So, I'll have to go back.
 
                        If you can provide me with a
           list, the links that are most important
           that I could bring back, that you think are
           the most used to the Town as opposed to,
           you know, we want the whole road done.
           That's a desire, but we're in a priority
           location, and maybe we can squeeze a couple
           of them into it.
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   You mentioned a
           couple of times a little about your plans
           in the future and funding.  You know,
           obviously we all have concerns about
           funding as well.  But is there an
           opportunity for comments to your capital
           fund.  You mentioned in the future you have
           another capital plan that is going to be
           drafted or coming up.  What opportunity may
           we have as a municipality to see that some
           comments on our local roads can at least be
           -- be addressed in the capital plan.
           Whether they are approved or funded is
           something else.  But is there an
           opportunity for the local municipalities to
           get a part of that capital plan
           development?  That might also help for our
           9A bypass that we talked about.
           Potentially sidewalks, other improvements
           along the state roads.  The Supervisor
           suggested the ability to basically make the
           state roadways more, I guess,
           transportation friendly as far as
           alternative transportation.  Wether it's
           walking or bike paths.
 
                        Right now there is difficulty.
           If there is a way that we could be part of
           that dialogue, I think it might help to
           shape that in a manner that would
           potentially help local communities.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   I don't
           believe that -- that is what normally
           happens.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Be a part of
           that.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   This is
           what happens.  Obviously they have a way of
           classifying roads and so on and so forth.
           You know, nobody, no matter which level it
           is, people get input from, from each other
           in terms of what's happening.  Of course
           when we do a budget, sometimes we'll have
           hearings in various municipalities where
           people can come and say okay, what about
           this or what about that.  But, I mean, the
           reality is by the time we're talking about
           it there, it's already in.
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   Well developed.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Right.
           So, conversations like this are more
           important, because this really is the run
           up to when the State budget gets -- gets
           crafted.  This is that period when the
           governor says in January this is what I'm
           talking about, is because of what's
           happened during these months.  So, I think
           this is our, you know, really an
           opportunity that you have taken advantage
           of, which is very good.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   In terms
           of, we have a new Greenburgh Health Center.
           Some people have talked about the need for,
           you know, more sidewalks on, you know, on
           Knollwood Road leading up to the health
           center.  If the town and the community, we
           feel there is a need for the sidewalks, you
           know, would the State be able to, you know,
           be supportive?  Mr. Reninger is here and
           he's been an advocate for sidewalks on
           Knollwood.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   We're always an
           advocate for sidewalks ourselves.  We
           generally, you know, nothing -- Again,
           sidewalks are a hot commodity in that
           communities really benefit for them whether
           your on the state highway or not.  Some
           communities have taken it upon themselves
           to build the sidewalks along the roadway.
           You end up maintaining them anyway no
           matter if you build them or we build them,
           you maintain them.
 
                        We generally will do the
           sidewalks when we do, you know, a more
           substantial rehabilitation or
           reconstruction of the roadways and as an
           individual sidewalk job.  What a lot of
           communities are doing is they are using
           local and federal agency programs to build
           sidewalks on the state highways.  I don't
           know that you guys have tried that yet.  I
           don't recall one being in Greenburgh.  But
           many communities do that.
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   What's the name
           of the program?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   It's a local
           federal highway program.  You know, we give
           federal aid.  It's an 80/20 match for
           sidewalks.  And in the Westchester area
           there is a funding source, CMAQ, congestion
           mitigation and air quality, that allows
           sidewalks to be funded with that money
           because it encourages people not to drive.
           I don't recall the Town of Greenburgh has
           looked into that.  Other communities are
           doing that, and it is a funding source
           that's much discounted.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   Is there
           anything that relates to the area that
           you're talking about around the health
           center, the intersection of 100A and 119
           where there was a pedestrian triangle built
           I think last year?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Yeah.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   It seems
           that there is some confusion between
           pedestrians and motorists.  What exactly to
           do at that triangle.  Some signage would --
           would be helpful in terms of even, you
           know, a person walking, those types of
           signs or you know --
 
                        MR. GORDON:   Caution.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   --
           caution, pedestrians crossing, something
           like that.  And then residents have also
           mentioned coming out of the health center,
           I believe it's -- it's -- maybe if you make
           it a no left turn.  Was that a no left turn
           sign coming out of the health center or no
           right-hand turn?
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   Not at the
           present time.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   What are
           we looking for though, no left turns,
           correct?
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   Yes.
 
                        COUNCILMAN JONES:   A no left
           turn sign would be helpful in terms of
           mitigating some of the perceived dangers in
           that road by the health center and the
           traffic triangle.  That might be a less
           expensive fix.
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   If I could add
           something on that issue.  The health center
           sidewalk is actually inundated by the Town
           Board when the health center was approved.
           It's actually a federal facility.  It's
           funded by the federal government.  So,
           approximately half of the center doesn't
           have a sidewalk, and it's a gross violation
           of federal, you know, requirements for ADA.
 
                        Also about the funding, the
           intersection that I'm speaking about, that
           was actually funded for improvement in 1995
           by the New York State Transportation Bond
           Bill.  And that money sitting there is
           available for use.  The State DOT has, for
           unknown reasons, decided not to use that
           money that's already bonded to improve that
           intersection.  And since they put a
           pedestrian island in there, it's really
           gotten very difficult.  I'm talking about
           119 through 100A.  Trying to improve it
           afterwards.  They had to do it over twice.
 
                        It's still a very dangerous
           intersection.  And, you know, we don't
           understand, that was funded by the 1995
           Bond Act.  Why that money isn't available
           to complete that project.  There is
           constant flooding there.  The underpass is
           closed.  And there is something like
           $6 million that was funded.
 
                        MR. GUDER:   We're aware that
           was prepared as part of the health center
           construction.  It was done by the health
           center.
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   That's a
           question we never got an answer to, who
           actually built that.  That's one of the
           more generic questions about this whole
           discussion.  It's been very focused on
           specific issues.  I think the more generic
           question is, what is the role of the State
           and the Town in these projects which are
           directly adjacent.
 
                        MR. GUDER:   Well, we look at
           those projects -- we look at those projects
           and how it affects the state roads.  And we
           have a process for highway permit and those
           things.  That's what came about.  This
           review was set up.  We put a crosswalk and
           an island and we worked with you also.  But
           whatever, whatever affects the highway, the
           traffic, you know, we look at it and we
           approve it based on that.
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   Actually there
           is a tip out there, maybe you don't want to
           do this, at this 2802 and 06, funded
           improvement of that whole intersection.
           And it's never been done since 1995 --
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   May I make a
           comment?
 
                        MR. RENINGER:   -- when the
           voters of the entire state approved that
           project.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   First of all,
           good morning.  I'm sorry I couldn't make it
           earlier.  I was ably represented by my
           counsel, Joanne Sold, who just briefed me
           on what you discussed before.
 
                        Just one comment on these type
           of issues here.  I am impressed by the --
           the efforts of the State DOT.  They do a
           very good job.  I think they are
           underfunded.  I think they are under-
           staffed.  I would like to see them perhaps
           make up for that with a little bit more
           conversation with local people.  'Cause I
           have seen some situations where my office
           has been called in after a project is
           completed.  We dealt with the intersection
           of Knollwood Road and Dobbs Ferry Road for
           example.  That intersection wasn't working.
           And we had some meetings with the Town
           Police Department, and you rearranged the
           traffic lights and did some other things.
 
                        Those problems I think could
           be avoided if we had a little bit more
           coordination beforehand.  I don't know how
           we do that, but I would like to.  This is
           another example of it.  I personally can't
           figure out why we have that triangle there.
           I, as a driver, think it's very dangerous,
           because it's very low.  You don't see it.
           If you're used to that intersection and you
           haven't been there in a while, like me, I
           don't always go through there, it's a turn
           that I don't normally make.  All of a
           sudden there is this piece of concrete in
           the way with no sign on it.  So, you don't
           see it.
 
                        You have a similar situation
           on Dobbs Ferry Road, right out front of the
           gas station.  For some reason it was
           designed to have a lip on it.  I can't
           figure out why that lip is there.  You're
           expecting as a driver coming in to go into
           two lanes, and all of a sudden there is a
           piece of concrete in front of you.
 
                        So, these are the types of
           things I would like to see discussed with
           the local officials and their traffic
           experts before we get to this point.
           Because if we're going to do part of a
           project and then leave it and not complete
           it, we may up with a situation that's worse
           rather than better.  I think that may be
           what we have right now.
 
                        There was always a discussion
           about the impact on the community of
           putting the health center where it was put.
           And I, for one, was never an advocate of
           putting the health center there, because
           those of us in the community who live there
           saw all of the problems that were going to
           come down the line, some of which we're now
           talking about.  Having now to make bad left
           turns.  Not having a completed sidewalk.
           When you know the neighborhood, you realize
           that some of the things that need to be
           done are just very difficult to do and/or
           impossible to do.  And they are the very
           things that you need for the safety of the
           project in the first place.
 
                        So, for example, there is
           another way to get into the health center.
           Nobody has ever explored.  I've suggested
           to them over and over again, try to come in
           through 119 and a back way in rather than
           coming down Knollwood Road.  There is an
           easement back there, 'cause I was a
           community leader at the time, and we made
           sure there was an easement back there.  But
           nobody has ever explored it.  The health
           center has refused to do it.  So, you get
           all the traffic instead out on a very
           dangerous road, Knollwood Road.
 
                        If there is some way we could
           have some conversations, my office would be
           pleased to be involved in this stuff.  I
           know it's more work for our office.  Paul
           has already suggested that my office
           monitor the traffic problems as a designee
           of the State DOT.  But I don't think my
           three staff members have the time to do
           that.  So, I respectfully decline.
 
                        But we would like to work with
           you and try to bring in local knowledge to
           see, you know, if we could be helpful in
           saying, you know, that's just not the way
           the people in this area see that
           intersection.  Perhaps we should try
           another approach.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Another
           thing that keeps coming up, you know, every
           few months -- This is the last question I
           have -- is on Benedict Avenue there is,
           like right near where the Sheraton is,
           there is an island and it's never
           maintained.  And the grass grows real high.
           It's a real traffic safety, you know,
           problem.  And the Town, you know, has used
           our resources to address that.  And I'm
           sort of wondering if, you know, I mean it's
           really dangerous.  People will sometimes
           point it out and then we'll send a crew
           out.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   It's on state
           property to take care of a problem, right.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   You know,
           I'm sort of wondering, if you're not going
           to maintain it, you could put -- This might
           be a stupid idea -- I was thinking since it
           definitely is a traffic hazard, because
           it's a road obstruction, if you could have
           even put an artificial, you know --
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   An artificial
           plant instead of a real one?
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   No.
           Artificial -- I'm saying something.  So
           this way if you can't do it, you know,
           maybe do like the stuff they have on, you
           know, at the -- you know, the fields, you
           know, artificial turf.  And then you don't
           have to worry about -- Then you'll never
           have the overgrowth.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Why don't we
           let them look at the issue.  The issue is,
           Paul, sight distance.  Why don't we let
           them look at the sight distance issue.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Would you
           say that many times there are sight
           distance problems?
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Ab-
           solutely.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   That
           really is --
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Coming
           off of 119.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Yeah.  It
           really is dangerous.  It's dangerous.
 
                        MR. BODIN:   I can't let this
           go by.  This traffic aisles you're talking
           about, they are using incorrect data.  The
           yellow line is suppose to be on your left,
           not on the right.  Every place they have
           these islands, they have a white line on
           the left.  You can't see it.  It doesn't
           tell you it's a ramp.
 
                        They absolutely refuse to do
           it.  They break the law all the time.  And
           nobody can stop them.  So, until they start
           following the law, there is no reason to
           put the raised thing in there.  They do it
           because you can't stop them.  A line on the
           left for a right turn ramp, where there is
           a raise, it's got to be yellow.  Why?  It
           doesn't have to be white anywhere except on
           a highway entrance.  They absolutely refuse
           to change.
 
                        So, until DOT starts to follow
           the law and gets off their high horse, you
           got these problems.  There is no reason for
           it except you can't make me change.  And
           hang on guys, it's about to change.
           Governor Cuomo wants a safer road and it's
           coming.  DOT hasn't got the message yet,
           but they are going to get it very shortly.
 
                        You don't have to use any of
           that white lines on any turn except on a
           highway.  That's in the manual right now.
           You refuse to stop doing it.  Just do it on
           a highway.  You put that channelizing line
           in, they don't know where to stop.  Nobody
           can stop you.  It's a shame.  Because all
           you're doing is creating problems for
           people.  Everything you've talked about
           here is solvable if you only followed the
           law but you won't.  I'm sorry.  I just
           couldn't take this anymore.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Any other
           questions because we have Frank's Nursery?

 
 
                        COUNCILWOMAN JUETTNER:   There
           is a gentleman with a question.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   I have
           a problem we have discussed a number of
           times.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Do you
           want to come up.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Okay.
           The intersection of Dobbs Ferry Road and
           Hartsdale Road that's just before the Shell
           station, just west of the Shell station.
           About two and a half years ago DOT
           redesigned that entire intersection.  It's
           very complex.  It's -- it's traffic coming
           from Hartsdale Avenue merging into
           Knollwood Road.  Dobbs Ferry Road comes up
           at an angle and makes a weird --
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   That's the
           intersection I was talking about.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Yeah.
           And the problem we have is that in that
           redesign, the traffic signal that controls
           the southbound traffic on Hartsdale Road at
           Dobbs Ferry Road is -- stays red for two
           minutes for the traffic coming from -- from
           my neighborhood, which is really about half
           a dozen neighborhoods that go down towards
           Elmsford.  In the morning at best, when
           that light turns green, it turns green for
           14 seconds.  There is enough time for four
           to six vehicles to get through that
           intersection before it turns red again for
           two minutes.  People try to get to work in
           the morning can spend ten minutes waiting
           for that light, for their turn to get
           through that intersection.
 
                        I mean, honestly, most people
           will U-turn, figure out alternate ways
           around that area, not go there, but it's a
           mess.  And we could really use some relief
           at that intersection with lengthening the
           green signal for the Hartsdale Road
           intersection at Dobbs Ferry.
 
                        Now I personally have a stake
           in this besides the interest in the
           community in that my home is two homes off
           the corner.  So 24 hours a day, seven days
           a week, I have drivers hitting the horn to
           get the first guy in line to move their
           butt, 'cause they know that that light is
           only green for 14 seconds.  So, we have to
           live with the noise pollution from that.
 
                        And, additionally, because
           that light is so long, all we see is litter
           coming out the car windows from people who
           have now finished their slice of pizza and
           just figure oh, this is as good a place as
           any.  I'm out there three, four times a
           year with a garbage bag that I fill up with
           beer bottles, liquor bottles, McDonald's
           bags and other unmentionables I won't even
           go into here.  But it's -- it's really
           unpleasant.
 
                        I would take the opportunity
           to maybe ask Paul if the Town might
           consider putting up a no littering sign on
           the utility pole that's just off the
           intersection.  It might be a little bit
           helpful for that.
 
                        I had two other things.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   I even
           suggested at one point, I said you could
           have put a no littering sign and maybe even
           a camera, a video, you know, camera just to
           let people know, you know, smile if you're
           littering because you're on camera.
           Because I sort of feel that you could put
           no littering, but if you don't have a
           police officer right in front, people are
           still going to litter.  So, if people feel
           that there is a chance they are going to
           get caught, then they won't litter.  It
           really is a major, you know, a major
           problem.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   We have speed
           cameras.  Now we're going to have litter
           cameras.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   How many
           miles of roadway do we have in the Town of
           Greenburgh?
 
                        MR. CAROSI:   130 or so.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   130 or
           so.  Some areas say no littering and the
           rest doesn't, there is an implication there
           it's okay to litter.  You have to be
           careful of where you put --
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   I don't
           really -- I don't really think that people
           pay attention to signs if they feel they
           are not going to get caught.  Because
           everybody knows you're not suppose to
           litter.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   I'm
           sure on Dobbs Ferry Road and Knollwood
           Road, that's a very challenging
           intersection for traffic, because it comes
           up to grade from a hill coming westbound on
           Dobbs, and Knollwood drops down and so
           forth.  The traffic signals at that
           intersection are very oddly angled.  When
           you're heading southbound on Knollwood
           approaching Dobbs, you can see the traffic
           signals for the westbound traffic.  And
           it's very confusing, because you'll be
           going and see a green light.  It's really a
           green light for westbound traffic.  And I
           was wondering if you guys could take a look
           at it.  Perhaps look at whatever methods
           you have, polarizing filters or whatever
           for those traffic signals so that the
           southbound drivers can't see the signal.
 
                        One last thing.  I was going
           to request the $20 million for the 119
           flyover reconstruction.  I've heard that
           might be a problem.  But back to that 119
           intersection at Knollwood Road.  You're all
           familiar when you're coming on the -- I
           have to get oriented -- on the southbound
           service road of the flyover.  As you
           approach, as you're heading east and you
           approach Knollwood, there is a right-hand
           sweeping turn onto Knollwood Road.  There
           should be a yield sign there.  There is
           nothing.  So that people, they don't have a
           stop line at the red light.  They just fly
           into that sweep.  And then traffic coming
           across the flyover, you know, is constantly
           at odds.  I think there was a yield sign
           there.  I think it got removed sometime in
           the reconstruction.  And I think it should
           be replaced.
 
                        And, lastly, I'm sorry, it
           just occurred to me.  Back to behind my
           home at Dobbs Ferry and Hartsdale Road.
           That's a really bad limited sight distance
           spot also.  There is a sign there, but the
           road drops off precipitously as you
           approach Dobbs.  We had a big accident back
           there a couple nights ago.  It woke my wife
           in the middle of the night.  A smash or
           whatever.  It was gone when I got up in the
           morning but it happens.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Approaching
           the Sprain Brook Parkway coming from the
           Shell station?
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   No.
           It's as you're approaching Dobbs Ferry Road
           on Hartsdale Road.  As you're heading south
           of the intersection.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Coming down
           Knollwood Road?
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Coming
           down Hartsdale Road not avenue.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Coming out of
           Orchard Hill?
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   Yes.
           Up at Hilltop Farms.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Up at Hilltop
           Farms.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   You had a
           question.
 
                        UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  Thank
           you very much.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   Thank
           you.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Then
           after this we'll go on to the next agenda
           items.
 
                        MR. ROSE:   Thank you.  My
           name is Harold Rose.  I live on Knollwood
           Road, but up further north.  I'll make this
           very short if you give me enough time,
           okay.
 
                        Knollwood Road has, and I'm
           not talking about traffic per se, but there
           is a drainage problem on Knollwood Road at
           the bottom.  The gentleman is shaking his
           head, okay.  Right on the corner of Buena
           Vista on Knollwood.
 
                        The rain comes down and there
           is like a gully.  I don't know what you
           call it technically.  I call it a gully.
           And it fills up with water.  The spring or
           the fall, when it rains, the water stays
           there and does not flow into the drains,
           which are about a hundred feet north of --
           actually a hundred feet north of my house.
           It just stays there.  It overflows onto the
           street.  Onto the roadway.
 
                        The cars come speeding up.
           It's a 30 mile an hour zone, and the

 
 
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           Greenburgh police, nobody goes 30 there.
           They are always catching speeders.
 
                        The cars come -- come over.
           They hit the water and they spray up water
           like you wouldn't believe, and they are
           going to hydroplane.  One of these days
           somebody is going to get killed on that.
 
                        In the wintertime, then the
           water freezes, then you have ice on the
           roadway.  This time of the year it's a
           breeding ground for mosquitoes.  In front
           of my house it's like 200 feet of roadway
           space.  It's all full of stagnant water,
           which everybody says it's mosquitos
           breeding ground.  We have mosquitos that we
           call them quarter pounders.  They are like
           this (indicating).  So, if you can do
           something about that.
 
                        In previous years I've called
           the DOT, and once or twice they did come
           out about three months after I called.
           They clean it up and they take care of it.
           But something permanently has to be done.
           Nobody has cleaned it up to any great
           extent in the last three or four years.
           Somebody was out there a month ago with a
           shovel.  Spent four minutes trying to clean
           out some drainage.  That was it.  If
           anybody wants to see the hydroplane
           problem, I've got a video.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Can you
           maybe e-mail it to me?  And then we can
           send it to you.
 
                        MR. ROSE:   Okay.  Thank you.
           Try to do something, because it's a
           mosquito problem.  It's a hydroplane
           problem and it's ice on the roads at time.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   I
           appreciate your time and mostly the follow
           up to the many e-mails.  Thank you.
 
                        And, you know, people are
           watching and they have other concerns.  We
           addressed a lot of different issues this
           morning.  But if you e-mail me, then I'll
           continue to send you additional
           suggestions.  But I hope we could get some
           progress on some of these things.  Thank  you.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Thank you.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Could I just
           add one thing, Paul, that I don't think you
           discussed and they are not prepared to
           discuss.  I would like them to add it to
           their list.  That is sound barriers along
           the Sprain Brook Parkway.  That's been a
           problem for years.  We were told that when
           there would be a major project of
           improvement.  They have had several major
           projects and there has never been sound
           barriers put on there.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   It might be what --
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   You ripped up
           the entire road and redone it twice.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   That's not a
           major project.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Are we talking
           about moving the Sprain Brook Parkway to
           somewhere else?  That would be the major
           project?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   The criteria is
           is that you would move travel lanes closer
           to the noise receptors, widening or the
           ramp --
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   If it's
           defective in the first place, why would we
           have to wait for it to become more
           defective to put noise barriers there?
 
                        MR. GORDON:   That's just the
           program.  That would be logic.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   Years ago,
           before the big increase in traffic, the
           noise was at 70 decibels.
 
                        MR. GORDON:   The other option
           is the barrier on the south and on the
           Sprain was put in by a legislative line
           item.  That is the other funding
           opportunity for it.  It's a line item
           budget.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   The state
           senator at the time, he decided to do one
           side, not the other side.  At the time I
           lived on the other side.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   That
           was at the time where we actually had line
           items.  And, unfortunately, we don't have
           them anymore.
 
                        MR. ABINANTI:   I lived on the
           other side, which is why my side didn't get
           them.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Well,
           I'm sure there was a reason for a lot of
           things, but I think again, I think this was
           an important meeting.  You know, hopefully
           we will continue the conversation.  There
           is a list of things that we will follow up.
           From a legislative standpoint we might be
           able to be of assistance.  And certainly I
           too want to thank, we didn't have a chance
           to have any opening remarks, but I do want
           to thank DOT Mr. Gordon, Mr. Guder, of
           course, as well as you for making this
           happen.
 
                        I don't think enough
           communities, you know, to answer what you
           brought up, I don't think enough
           communities really take the time to invite,
           you know, various departments, such as the
           disabled, to talk about it preemptively or
           even some things that have happened.  How
           we can, you know, how we can readdress it.
 
                        I'm happy we're doing this.
           We'll continue to do it.  We'll do what we
           can.  We have a list of things.  We will
           follow up from a legislative standpoint the
           things we can do.  The capital, we will try
           and get your priorities.  And the
           partnerships that we talked about,
           hopefully this Town and DOT will continue
           to collaborate to see what we can do.
 
                        And obviously our offices are
           here in order to be those people who ring
           the bell loudly if we need response from
           DOT or any of the other offices.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Terrific.
 
                        MS. STEWART COUSINS:   Thank
           you.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   We
           didn't have the normal opening, because we
           wanted to get right into the questions.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   I
           understand.
 
                        COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN:   So, in
           addition to the representatives from DOT,
           we want to thank State Senator Andrea
           Stewart-Cousins for coming with your staff
           and State Assemblyman Thomas Abinanti with
           your staff.  And we should do this more
           often.  And thank you so much for coming.
 
                        MS. STEWART-COUSINS:   Thank
           you.
 
                        SUPERVISOR FEINER:   Mary Jane
           Chafski's staff is also here.
 
 
 
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                        Certified to be a true and
           accurate transcript of the above-captioned
           stenographic minutes.
 
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                        Official Court Reporter
 

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